I was genuinely surprised the first time someone asked me if I got the vaccine? “No, of course not” I replied. By their reaction I immediately recognized the pattern I had seen many times before. The vaccine had mutated and had become polarized.

This post is about what causes this polarization, how to test yourself to see if you are part of the problem and then how to fix it.

Recognizing Polarization

If anyone asks me now I put it back on them and ask them why they think people aren’t getting the COVID-19 vaccine. If they can’t come close to any of my reasons then there is very little reason to discuss it further. The results of my personal anecdotal poll of the pro-vaccine crowd are as follows…

  1. There is none and anyone who opposes it is basically an idiot.
  2. Political reasons.
  3. Religious reasons.
  4. Bill Gates put a microchip in the vaccine.
  5. Republicans believe COVID is a hoax. (This is an honorable mention reason as it was told to me before the vaccine was available. By my former corporate lawyer no less!)

No one in the group came close to guessing any of my three reasons.

I asked the same question to people who aren’t getting the vaccine. Each and every person gave one or more of my same three reasons and nothing more.

I am going to re-write the results of my anecdotal survey as a proposition.

Proposition 1
For any given polarized topic the following is true…
Group A believes Group B believes in X
Group B believes in M
X and M have no commonalities
Group A does not know what Group B believes

I have been working on this phenomenon for

Something else is going on here. I made the above proposition but the firest believes is incorrect.

I have been through this type of conversation many times. On healthcare, on gay-marriage, on abortion, on trade, on immigration.

This is one type of blocking move.

I once

How can Group A have no idea what Group B believes? I have had a long and tumultuous history with this dilemma and I think I have figure it out and will do my best to explain it. Be aware this won’t be easy to read.

I have seen this numerous times.

This from just a few months ago. So she continued on in her adamant belief that I must believe in “X” which she considers repugnant. She entirely rejects all of my corrections and insists that I do in fact and must believe in “X”. The questions start flowing: Why? For what purpose? For what reason? Why in the heck would anyone want others to believe in some evil, bat-shit crazy theory? What does she get out of it?

The abbreviated pattern of conversation is…

Date “What do you believe about “T”?
Dan “Regarding “T”, I believe “D”
Date “No, you believe in “X”
Dan “No I don’t”
Date “Yes you do”
Dan “No I don’t”

Who is in Group A?

Nearly everyone. I used to be in Group A as a registered Democrat. Then I was in Group A as a registered Republican / Conservative. I now believe all moderates are better labelled as “extreme moderates” because I have never met one that wasn’t in Group E.

Those in Group A will reject and impugn any idea, thought, reference, source, person, ideology, religion, argument that doesn’t exactly match their own ideology. It will be worse than talking to a wall. They will never review your sources. They will never look up a quote. They will never look up the data you reference. If you cite a reference they will scoff at the source and call them radicals. If you say your believe you will be called a conspiracy nut. They will use terms like racist, Nazi prove you aren’t a

I would love to talk about the vaccine. What more important and unprecedented event has occurred in my lifetime? But we can’t. No longer can adults sit down and discuss important topics and share information and learn from each other. Our culture seems to love polarizing every single important topic and prefer being mad at each other.

To put it mildly having discussions with someone in Group E is pointless. The only guaranteed relief is to change the topic.

Group A are extremists who have forgotten how to be curious, skeptical and empathetic.

Maybe there is still a chance. Maybe an adult conversation can continue. Ask them “What do you find compelling about any of these arguments?” or “Why do you think these arguments are compelling to people opposed to the vaccine?”

Why not tell me

A meaningful debate must consist of at least two compelling arguments. This is an absolute bare minimum. A real debate may be too complicated. Two-sided debate are annoying shouldn’t be bounded by 2 sides but open to an infinite number of answers. I actually can’t stand f the debate doesn’t allow for an infinite number of possibilities or if I think a truly compelling argument would hThe point of a debate and discussion is to try and determine

What answere wasn’t given “I have no idea but would love to know?

The Sars-Cov-2 virus has devastated America and the world and continues to do so. Millions have died of COVID-19, the world economy is on the brink, and it has turned our lives upside down. We lived in isolation not able to see our family, friends or co-workers. We couldn’t go anywhere except to procure basic necessities. This existence has taken its toll and we have seen an increase in drug and alcohol use has, domestic violence , divorce, depression and suicides. We need to get back to work, we need to get back to living our lives and we have a vaccine that can make that happen now. It has been tested, it has passed all the safety protocols. It works and it is safe and it is time everyone takes it.

These are identical in nature to studied these kinds of responses as they are similar in nature to responses on any other political topic. My only conclusion so far is there is little hope for any further rational and reasonable discussion.

The problem is

I had a feeling this was where we were going. Another relevant and important topic thrown into the polarization wastebin. This wastebin is now filled, compacted and crawling with maggots with virtually every important aspect of our lives: abortion, gay marriage, trade, middle east, taxes, climate change, sex-ed, gun rights, voter rights, police, education, religion, military, subsidies, homeless. What they all have in common is dividing America and making it impossible to have a rational discussion about any of them. Today we all sound like idiots.

Time to take out the trash – or at least part of it.

First step is to define one valid and compelling argument. I am going to write out the pro-Vax argument first. I didn’t need to search the internet. I didn’t need watch the news. Honestly, until three weeks ago I didn’t even realize the entire country wasn’t on the same page. This is my take on why people are getting the vaccine (If it doesn’t then let me know)…

Vaccine debate is a learning lesson as to why our country is divided.

I think this about covers it. I could add more details but I don’t believe the pro-Vax argument is lacking in media coverage.

Next step is to come up with at least one valid and compelling counter-argument. You don’t need to think hard. It is pretty self-evident and obvious. Re-read my pro-Vax argument or your own and simply counter it. You don’t need to watch the news, you don’t need to read any website. Just use some common sense and curiosity.

Now re-read the four items from my anecdotal survey again. They likely aren’t that compelling are they? Something might feel a bit “off”. Maybe the don’t sit well. Hopefully there should be some massive sky-filling red-flags. Frankly, when I heard people say these I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

The red-flag should be that none of these responses have anything to do with the vaccine. Zilch, zero and nada. Yet these are touted as “real” counter-arguments by the pro-Vax. How in the world anyone believes these are the reasons people are skeptical of the vaccine used to be beyond me. Now I get it. What these reasons do is simply reinforce the initial argument by making the other side appear to be idiots. The combination of a compelling pro-argument and baseless anti-argument solidify into a cult-like bubble. Those in this bubble are no longer able to receive any new information unless it agrees with their “cult”.

If you are in the pro-Vax crowd and in any way believes any or all of these four reasons than I am not sure there is any help until you admit that you were scammed and that your were lied to. If it means anything to you I have been in the same boat a few times. Frankly it is kind of embarrassing and depending on how deep into your “cult” you have gone you may have to come to terms with some shame. Your news, your experts, the influential expert advisor you have come to trust and rely on has lied to you, has used you and you believed them. It really helps to admit it.

Still I need to deal with these pro-Vax anti-reasons. First one basically gives up without even trying. This is intellectually lazy and pathetic. Second one, political reasons. I don’t even know what this means. I guess if I break my arm I see a doctor depending on who is in the White House. I am intentionally being flippant because this is nonsense. Third one, religious reasons. Since I have never met anyone using this as a reason I did some research. I found a few groups that had under 2,000 members that would fall into this category. These groups are against ALL vaccines so it isn’t specific to the COVID-19 vaccine. Again they have nothing specific against the COVID-19 vaccine, they don’t do any vaccines. I don’t see these groups as a sizable enough to worry about but if you feel compelled feel free to track them down and while you are at it I would love to see your success rate talking to the last 555 remaining flat-earth society members. (For some reason it makes me happy that this group still exists.) Finally, the Gates chip. Any theory which you find silly simply ask for proof. Someone believes there is a chip in the vaccine then go ahead and snag a few extra doses of the vaccine and get it tested. If you find the chip and have documented proof then great – I will sit and listen and read everything you have. In the end if Billy figured out a way to create a semi-soluable chip tracker that fits through the eye of a needle I give him the win. I recommend he sticks them in cans of White Claw and he would have the entire state of Florida chipped in a weekend. What none of these reasons actually discuss and what they entirely avoid is the most self-evident and obvious reason.

Am I better off getting the vaccine or not?

Let’s start there. I don’t know about you but it is the only question that matters to me and the only thing I asked myself.

Right now

So how is it possible that these same people give as a counter-argument the four items I listed above?

Just use some damn common sense.

I literally can’t wait until American society starts acting like adults can have discussions about topics and speak openly and plainly without sounding like idiots. To be clear, on virtually every political, economical, religious etc topic we all sound like idiots

The AdCouncil’s lies about fertility and pregnancy.

Lie 1: Their question is biased and unscientific

nothing is 100% safe.

how do you plan on testing that t

The Ad-Council has 6 questions on the first page with one being “How do we know they are safe?“. They didn’t ask “Are the vaccines safe?” or “What are the risks of taking the vaccine?” or “How many people have died from the vaccine?” or better “What were the test results of the vaccine?”. Instead they used the word “know” which transforms the question into stating a conclusion in the form of a question. So this “question” presupposes This profoundly influences and misleads both the reader and the answer. This is not an honest or unbiased question and should be rejected for more logical and unQuestions like this are not based in science, they are not intended to educate and inform but are designed to mislead. Or it could be an accident. The writer could have good intentions but just failed at the execution.

Lie 2:

Prominent on the AdCouncil’s website, getvaccineanswers.org, is the statistic that 144,894,586 people in the US have received their first dose of a COVID-19 “vaccine”. That is 44% of the of the United States’ 330 million citizens.

Hopefully these “vaccines” work.

This is one of only a few topics I have been at odds with Trump on. Boasts of finding a vaccine in under a year under the tagline of “Operation Warp Speed” seemed reckless to me. Quelling fear with hope is what the mindless masses. Yet before he left office on December 11th, 2020 Pfizer received their EUA from the FDA and then on December 18th Moderna received theirs. My thoughts at the time were simply ‘I can’t believe he did it.’ He made deals with Big Pharma and together they made it happen. Ironically many of those scrambling to get an injection of a fast-tracked drug facilitated by the Trump administration are the same people that have been endlessly complaining about Trump and his tweats. I am certain Trump will not be credited with his role in this as to do so is mentally impossible for those with hate and disgust for the man.

and do some mental gymnastics to credit t. I disagree with Trump on this issue and at least one other. No one agrees with If you agree 100% of the time with someone you are an idiot . of the Of all the complaints I have heard on Trump’s tweats and boasts and now everyone is taking it. he Trump Administration made a deal with Big Pharma and gave them billions of dollars to deliver a vaccine for COVID-19.

I have doubts and will hopefully never be forced to get one.

I still had no interest in getting a vaccine for a virus. I don’t wake up in fear of Covid nor have I ever except for that has very little no fear of. There were only 2-3 hours where I was nervous back in March of 2020. I rushed to

This week I received my stimulus debit card for $1400. Kind of a bummer. Free money and experimental drugs that solve everyone’s fears seem

Kind of amazing but I was still skeptical.

A friend forwarded me an article by Christian Elliot titled “18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a Covid Vaccine”. Simply a brilliantly written article. Because it is so rare anyone agrees with me I had has written a wonderfully thoughtful and rational piece on the Covid-19 vaccine. He asks questions. Questions are scary. I believe it is worth a read if you are thinking of getting a vaccine.

The AdCouncil has their own website to deal with misinformation spreaders like Christian Elliot.

The answer provided is very generic and basically says that since the FDA approved it, it must be good. The same FDA that has allowed farm animals to be treated like concentration camp victims for decades and recently now pretending to an innocent bystander passing harsh and sudden rules on the farmer to change their ways, allowed medical companies to hide reports of their defective products from public view for decades, bribery, of defective products. hid defective allowed heart , foasamax osteo porosis

Do vaccines impact fertility?
There is currently no evidence that any vaccines, including COVID-19 vaccines, cause fertility problems. If you are trying to become pregnant now or want to get pregnant in the future, you may receive a COVID-19 vaccine when one is available to you.

Moderna pg46
Pharmacovigilance Activities
The Sponsor submitted a Pharmacovigilance Plan to monitor safety concerns that could be associated with the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease (which includes but is not limited to vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease) and anaphylactic reactions (including anaphylaxis) as important potential risks. Use in the pediatric population, use in pregnant and breast-feeding women, immunogenicity in participants with immunosuppression, concomitant administration with non-COVID vaccines, long-term safety and long-term effectiveness are areas the Sponsor identified as missing information.

The Sponsor will conduct both passive and active surveillance activities for continued vaccine safety monitoring. Passive surveillance activities will include submitting spontaneous reports of the following events to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) within 15 days:
• Vaccine administration errors whether or not associated with an adverse event
• Serious adverse events (irrespective of attribution to vaccination)
• Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in adults
• Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death

Moderna pg47
Sponsor studies will include completion of long-term follow-up from ongoing clinical trials as well as the following three planned surveillance studies.
• Pregnancy Cohort: The Sponsor plans to establish a passive pregnancy registry to monitor vaccination during pregnancy within populations expected to receive the vaccine under EUA, and to submit a protocol for FDA review and approval.

Moderna pg50
Unknown Risks/Data Gaps
Safety in certain subpopulations
There are currently insufficient data to make conclusions about the safety of the vaccine in subpopulations such as children less than 18 years of age, pregnant and lactating individuals, and immunocompromised individuals.

When Trump announced we would have a vaccine by the end of the year I was not happy. It didn’t make sense to me that he could make that kind of promise. I was very skeptical. Literally the only time Yet he did. All rejoiced. Trump made deals with big pharma to give them billions and they would deliver a vaccine that would alleviate all our fears.

I read it once, then again and again and again. I

There is so much content that each night I find myself re-reading a section or two and and trying to read every link for that section. After two weeks I feel like I barely scratched the surface. the . I think the I read it numerous times and spent many hours reading the EUA’s submitted by the drug

I have had serious doubts on this from

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